asked by thecircuitboards: "With the two main Superhoodie theories (loop and multi-verse), I honestly can't decide which to believe. They each have evidence to support them. All I can say is one part of some people's theories that I do not believe whatsoever. That, in my opinion, has no actual evidence to it. The theory that F!Simon was not in love with Alisha/came from a timeline where they were not together.
The way he looked at her (ex: during *the* scene where she took her shirt off), the way he held her (ex: those touches on the cheek), he made everything about her (ex: she's the reason he went back or at least the main reason), he knows her body completely (ex: *ahem* no example needed for this, right?), he knows her ways (ex: those small smirks he would give after she snapped) and he died for her.
What would he possibly gain from "risking [his] life traveling through the dimensions of time" and manipulating someone who he wasn't close to? If F!Simon was the manipulating character that theory makes he out to be, it would contradict each other in a way. A manipulating character is selfish, obviously. So the fact that with this theory he wouldn't even see the benefits of his manipulation goes against why manipulative people manipulate...so that they specifically can reap the rewards (not the other versions of themselves). If anything, I feel that he told Alisha because he couldn't help himself (which seems to be implied from Superhoodie's twitter) or that he was simply reminding her (like allthemisfits said earlier).
That above was more for the multi-verse theory though because it's impossible to believe in the time loop theory and the lying F!Simon theory. Why? Um...we're watching them fall in love right now then if you believe the time loop. Hehe.
I just had to get that out.
P.S.: Awesome, epic, fantastic, awepictastic chat yesterday! I will totally be at the next one too! :DD"
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Wait are you in my head?!? cause I feel you are in my head. Your theory, everything you said is EXACTLY my thoughts and reasoning behind the theories (even the scene examples that you gave). His face in the screencap below is my #1 reason as to why I can’t buy the ‘he was never in love with her’ theory. JUST LOOK AT THE WAY HE IS LOOKING AT HER! YOU CANNOT FAKE THAT FOR YOUR LIFE.
I am glad you had fun because so did Maryam and I! Can’t wait for the rewatch of 204 :D
asked by allthemisfits-deactivated201304: "Haha Totally! That's what made sense to me in the beginning-- A. Because there was no chance in their timeline A and S are getting with each other and B. Just F!Simon's purpose didn't make sense to me. So, had to find a way to explain the whole situation. Which led to that theory. Which had tons of holes like any other theories. But I'm sorta happy with the new one haha
About your question-- that's the thing, it's just a theory right? And we have series 3 coming and hopefully more series in the future so there's a 100% chance the theory is way off.
Okay- so F!S went back in time multiple times, he saw everything happening the same exact way unless he altered it otherwise e.g. saving his friends from the tat guy. Not only that, he already lived it-- so he already know up to which point he was stop and that was when everybody was safe including Alisha.
SO if we go just based on series 2-- right after 204 when F!S died, if I'm not mistaken, nobody was in really terrible, terrible danger, like in life and death situation (except for Nathan in 205 BUT he can't really die, so that doesn't count). They got into a mess, Simon with his gf's father, Kelly with her new bf-- but nothing major that someone died. If you noticed, right around the time Superhoodie showed up, everybody seemed to be in the harm's way-- 106- Nathan, 201- the whole gang, 202- Nathan (he could've actually died in this epi), 203 Everybody, 204 everybody again, and in 205- Simon who was saved by Alisha (see right there, made sense, F!Simon knew Alisha would save him so he didn't have to be there anymore). F!S needed all of them together-- coz if they were all together, they were safe and will most likely to survive longer and this was proven over and over again.They looked out for each other, so if one of them gone missing, then basically, they're f*cked. So like I said, based on series 2, after 204, it seemed like it was perfect, they were all back together and finishing their community service and even if they were in deep shit they were fine coz everybody was alive. One of them always ends up saving all of them... Even in that milk!guy arc when they became famous, they were okay because Curtis was around to save them (Curtis could've died in 203 if it wasn't for F!S's peanuts.) I think that's what F!Simon wanted-- for all of them to be together and stay together in the future. I think he understood their dynamics, he always did, even in the beginning. He knew they needed to stay together. But that's just a theory :D
:D I hope I didn't get you more confused haha"
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hahaha no i totally get this theory! and i agree, future simon DID want them all together so that they have a better chance of surviving.
Another question: How far ahead of time was Future Simon from? There still might be something that is supposed to happen that we don’t know about that he needed them together for? Or maybe by making all of these things happen, they will now be avoiding that situation? Or maybe Nikki’s death has a bigger purpose?
asked by allthemisfits-deactivated201304: "Well, I LOVE YOU TOO! Haha And you are one of the only two who tolerate my F!Simon theory haha
Well at first I did have that one theory that F!S manipulated Alisha into falling in love with him. But then I got to thinking-- that person, the one you were talking to the other day about F!Theories- she was right! How come F!Simon knew Alisha so well? Her body especially, if he wasn't, never was intimate with her? So I'm thinking, when F!S went back multiple times, yeah, I think that he and Alisha were together. And now I'm thinking F!S NEVER tricked Alisha but REMINDED her instead... Okay- going with my theory of going back multiple times-- F!S never got things right the first times so HE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE FUTURE EACH TIME. Meaning whatever happened between him going back to the past AND the future COULD BE ANYTHING.
AND THAT IS WHEN HIM AND ALISHA HAPPENED. The Vegas, the teaching, training, all the love making. I'm trying to say, all those times that he went back and forth, it always had the same ending for him and Alisha-- THEY WERE TOGETHER.
The thing about my theory is that there is a bigger picture-- I believe that F!S did go back for Alisha but also for his friends. And I think he wanted all of them to be there in the FUTURE where he will be happy.
And no, that's the thing-- in 203 that was his last trip. He decided to die coz what is the sense of going back to the future when there is nothing? That's why he traveled back in the first place, to insure a happy future. So when F!S died in 203, that was a choice. Everything's fixed. Job done-- he's got his friends back and his relationship with Alisha stayed the same.
Oh god, please don't be sorry. I love questions. I'm just happy you are actually tolerating this right now hahahahahhaa
HUGS!
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HA! You know im not a fan of the manipulative one but i like where you are taking this now. So in 204 i agree, that he died because his job was done, he knew Alisha was becoming TOO attached to him and he needed her to fall in love with Present Simon. But I guess my question is, what happened THIS time that made him TOTALLY sure that things would be ok that he was willing to die and let things play out?
asked by allthemisfits-deactivated201304: "Hi Colie! I thought I'd send you this message on here instead of your personal blog coz I think it's more appropriate here. So I'm one of those really engaged fans that think of my favorite shows' plots and holes most of the day, that being said, today while I was at work I started thinking about my fic and my Future Simon theory. So, I know my personal theory is not very popular as it includes a 'manipulative' Simon. I have to admit that it wasn't pleasing to me as well but for some reason, the character just emerged (for me) from his personality. He's a very smart person. But I'm not here to discuss about Simon being smart-- MY THEORY- I just want to quickly mention it- My theory is that whatever bad things that could've happened to the ASBO5, excluding the ones Curtis was able to prevent, happened and in the end or 'future' it was just Nathan and Simon. Simon got really attached to the ASBOs coz they were his only friends, he became lonelier when they died one by one (except for Nathan of course), hence when the opportunity to go back in time presented itself to him, he took it. I think he traveled more than once in the past-- and this is very important in relation to my other point-- to get things right. He wanted to save his friends so he pick and choose which times and days he will appear to them (that is why Superhoodie was %110 accurate all the time.) In the process he fell in love with Alisha and the then the part that made sense to me-- he manipulated Alisha to fall in love with him. He and Alisha got together, then he died in 203-- he didn't travel back to the future because there is nothing for him to go back to. He fixed P!Simon's timeline to ensure P!Simon's happiness (and this is very important to Simon as he was always lonely) by giving him his friends back and having Alisha fall in love with him.
NOW-- I read someone sent you girls a message about F!Simon knowing Alisha's body etc. and the things he told her corresponded to it. It just didn't make sense to me-- if we go by my theory then Simon was lying to Alisha. BUT the things he said to her matched with the things he did-- e.g. him knowing Alisha's body, and the other things that happened, her being his teacher, etc.
Now I came to a new theory in relation to F!Simon going back to the past several times to get things PERFECT. Like I said, Superhoodie was sooo spot on, there is no way he did all those things he did just once. PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT.
So go by the traveling Simon theory-- F!Simon went back multiple times in the past and every trip was different from each other-- ALL THOSE POSSIBLE ALISHA ENCOUNTERS, just imagine. He probably accidentally revealed himself to the others, too then had to go back to do it all over again. He had to keep going back to assure things happen the way they did, but just think of those times that IT DIDN'T-- it could've led to a different outcome for him and Alisha. My point is, there is a huge possibility that F!Simon and P!Simon had been with Alisha more than once. Those times that F!Simon failed say in saving Curtis from the tat guy, it could've ended the same for him and Alisha that's why he knew her so well. Maybe F!Simon altered different timelines that ultimately got Alisha and P!Simon together. All those possibilities.......... Whoa. Alright, I have to stop right there. Coz it's gonna get more complicated if I go on haha
Cheers!
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First off I had two mute my Adele music to understand this, so you better be glad i love you LOL.
So you have to different theories. But in both you think that Future Simon is basically tricking Alisha into thinking that they had a past romance (which with your theory technically they did because he’s been going back in time several times and they’ve had ‘relationships’ there if i got that right?) But still in her mind they’ve had a relationship in his lifetime in the past, but you’re saying that she’s being kind of tricked by that.
I guess my question is this: If they weren’t technically together before hand, why does F! Simon want them together so badly if it doesn’t have a big impact on their future, his future or hers? And again, how do we explain the picture? Even if he went back in time and then changed things are you saying that after things were fixed he stayed in the present, went back to his time, or went back to another time?
Sorry for all of the questions but i get really excited when a new theory comes in and makes me question other ideas.
Also I still want to understand the Terminator theory from before. I’ve seen all four movies and I still am confused lol.
But for people who say that Future Simon was never in a relationship with Alisha…I need the Vegas picture explained then. My mind is literally going crazy over this lol.
asked by Anonymous: "It seems to me there was no "first time" RE:Future Simon. It's a closed causality loop, he always went back and things always worked out like that. To use an example, in the first Terminator movie John Conner is only born because Skynet sends someone back to kill him (or actually his mum) - if they hadn't tried to kill him he'd never been born (which means they had to try to kill him the very first time or he wouldn't have been born to bother them). It will always work out the same-in a closed causality loop time can't be altered, the time travel/"changes" were always part of the timeline.
Open causality loop is when you can make changes and history rewrites itself as a result.
asked by cupcakesandtv: "So...my husband watched the show with me and says "Um, why is fandom freaking out about the time travel? As far as I'm concerned Howard wrapped it up with the line "It's like when John Connor sent Kyle Reece...'" He tells me "Everyone knows that Terminators time line made no sense, that's his throwaway line to say we've wrapped up all our time travel problems because clearly, this makes no sense and it's all crap."
I wish I could believe that everything is fixed and they'll all live their lives and be happy, but I doubt it. But what do you think?"
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I’d like to think positively and say that Howard learned his lesson from 206-207. He said himself that he regrets assuming that the audience would understand what happened/how Simon & Alisha got together and he wish he would have explained it more. So I’m hoping he learned from that and now knows that he has to create some type of explanation for 1) why they could touch & 2) how he came back.
But your husband’s cool for watching/commenting!! :D
asked by belle-princess: "God I love all the theories people put in your askbox. :D Your blog is my crack to fill the hole Misfits left after season 2. God november has to hurry the fuck up!
Anyway, with every theory I read though, something is off because of the evidence that they go to Las Vegas.
So.. Maybe the whole gang went and Simon and Alisha kinda happened there? That makes that picture even more important than Alisha expects now."
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i know! ive never wanted it to be winter again so badly in my life!
and the Vegas picture is the one issue (except of course with the timeloop one).
But you’re saying that the first time they happened was in Vegas? That’s a good theory to have! But then I was also thinking that they had been together for a while before the Vegas trip because it seems that Alisha’s dream had always been to take a trip to Vegas ( which she told him in 204). And then he promises that he will take her there (which he already had)…confusing i know lol.
Since you all have been awesome at sending us your theories on Future Simon, why he came back, what’s in store for Present Simon/Alisha, we decided to make a page/tag on it so that you all can go back, read other theories to send in your own to us, reference other theories, etc. We will also be going back and tagging timeloop theory videos and fanfics so that you can explore those as well.
We think it will also be fun to be able to go back once Season 3 starts to see how right/wrong the theories were (hopefully Howard won’t let us down). Either way, enjoy and keep sending the theories/ comments in :)